Re: Round 45 - Mafia Story

by Zyquux Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:11 pm

Voting Nyu for being the laziest Rainbow Dash.

Nyu - 1 - Zyquux

1/16

by Nyu-Shark Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:24 pm

Zyquux wrote:Voting Nyu for being the laziest Rainbow Dash.

Nyu - 1 - Zyquux

1/16

First Scept with Amy Rose now me and my Vinyl? Damn Zy you just love to provoke folks.

....

Zyquiz - 1 - Nyu
Nyu - 1 - Zyquux

2/16

by Cloak Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:28 pm

Voting for the new guy.
That's you, Shadi, Hater got here first.
Welcome to a grand Halolz tradition.

Shadi - 1 - Cloak
Zyquiz - 1 - Nyu
Nyu - 1 - Zyquux

3/16

by Shadi Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:33 pm

I guess I'll add on the 1 vote tally wagon with a retaliating vote :D

Shadi - 1 - Cloak
Zyquiz - 1 - Nyu
Nyu - 1 - Zyquux
Cloak - 1 - Shadi

Don't really see whom to vote on right now, so I'll just vote against people who vote or go against me as I yet have to see valid reasons for doing so.

by DA Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:40 pm

Cloak wrote:Welcome to a grand Halolz tradition.

More like a Mafia tradition. Everyone I've met seems to do that

Not me. I'll go for the weakest link of the bunch, and that is...

...huh, it's been a while, hasn't it... Let's pick... Gamage. Yeah, Gamage.

Shadi - 1 - Cloak
Zyquiz - 1 - Nyu
Nyu - 1 - Zyquux
Cloak - 1 - Shadi
Gamage - 1 - DA

by Yoshi Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:13 pm

Hey remember when ties were a thing? no....me neither zyq quest for the win!

Shadi - 1 - Cloak
Zyquest - 2 - Nyu, Yoshi
Nyu - 1 - Zyquux
Cloak - 1 - Shadi
Gamage - 1 - DA

6/16 silly people forgot numbers

by French Connections Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:20 pm

Cloak wrote:Voting for the new guy.
That's you, Shadi, Hater got here first.
Welcome to a grand Halolz tradition.

I don't recall you doing that to me (actually checked, no you didn't). Don't bash the new guys for at least a few rounds, to give them a flavour of what it's like playing with us. :P After that we can lynch away! ^___^ Especially that given it's a no pm round, they won't have shenanigan chances to get to know us. :(
That said, no lynch.

Shadi - 1 - Cloak
Zyquest - 2 - Nyu, Yoshi
Nyu - 1 - Zyquux
Cloak - 1 - Shadi
Gamage - 1 - DA
No lynch - 1 - French

7/16

by Shadi Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:54 pm

There's no need to treat me differently because I'm new. I can take being voted on, regardless of the reason. If I feel that the vote was unfairly placed then I will try to deceive/convince myself out of it in a good matter. In additon, although I prefer being impartial and neutral towards everyone despite that do remember I'm experienced with the game and know votes get placed just to get placed from time to time.

by Zyquux Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:58 pm

Oh wait, DA's in this game? Someone comes back from a long hiatus? YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS!

Shadi - 1 - Cloak
Zyquest - 2 - Nyu, Yoshi
Cloak - 1 - Shadi
Gamage - 1 - DA
DA - 1 - Zyquux
No lynch - 1 - French

7/16

by Cloak Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:29 pm

Wait, DA's back?
FOR GREAT JUSTICE!

Zyquest - 2 - Nyu, Yoshi
Cloak - 1 - Shadi
Gamage - 1 - DA
DA - 2 - Zyquux, Cloak
No lynch - 1 - French

7/16

by **Leo E.** Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:29 pm

Cloak wrote:Wait, DA's back?
FOR GREAT JUSTICE!

Gamage is back too, you know...

Zyquux - 2 - Nyu, Yoshi
Cloak - 1 - Shadi
Gamage - 2 - DA, Leo
DA - 2 - Zyquux, Cloak
No lynch - 1 - French

8/16

by HATER Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:44 pm

A few words on NoLynch R1:

Although it may seem like a good idea at first glance, nolynch r1 is ALWAYS a bad idea. Not only does it give the wolves a free kill, it also gives the town absolutely NO new information if everyone bandwagons nolynch.

R1 isn't just about lynching wolves, it's about discovering where player allegiances lie. It kicks off the voting patterns that may be set for the rest of the game.

And if a villager is about to be lynched, well, they can always claim in public to save themselves. In general, it's quite hard (especially in themed games) for a wolf (even with the help of his team) to make up a plausible role that isn't already taken by someone else. So claiming is usually a good strategy if you're a townie struggling under the brunt of a r1 lynch bandwagon.

And, it may sound a little cruel to say this, but it's true:

R1 lynches kill off villagers, the useless flab that the wolves hide in. R1 lynch gets rid of one person that could well be a suspect, a decoy later on.

TL;DR: THERE SHOULD ALWAYS BE A LYNCH r1. IT TRADES A VILLAGER'S LIFE FOR LOADS OF INFORMATION. In a game where information is the most valuable currency, I'd wager to say that the R1 lynch provides a VERY good bargain. (Plus there's the fact that you might actually get lucky and lynch a wolf.)

For these reasons I denounce R1 nolynch and those supporting it. French earns my vote until he switches his vote to an actual person.

French - 1 - HATER
Zyquux - 2 - Nyu, Yoshi
Cloak - 1 - Shadi
Gamage - 2 - DA, Leo
DA - 2 - Zyquux, Cloak
No lynch - 1 - French

by Gam Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:52 am

Uh, Kinda lost track of time today. I forgot I have a different time zone now, but it seems like about half of us haven't voted yet so I'm hoping Axel won't mind. On that note, is day 1 going into friday since thursday seems to have been a bit of a flop?

by Hunter Axel Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:03 am

I fixed it. Check the date again. Today we finish 24hrs after I opened.

by Shadi Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:27 am

French - 1 - HATER
Zyquux - 2 - Nyu, Yoshi
Cloak - 1 - Shadi
Gamage - 2 - DA, Leo
DA - 2 - Zyquux, Cloak
No lynch - 1 - French

9/16

Fixed the tally.

^ Just to get the number for the next one to copy paste (didn't even spot that myself o-o)

by French Connections Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:11 am

Shadi wrote:There's no need to treat me differently because I'm new. I can take being voted on, regardless of the reason. If I feel that the vote was unfairly placed then I will try to deceive/convince myself out of it in a good matter. In additon, although I prefer being impartial and neutral towards everyone despite that do remember I'm experienced with the game and know votes get placed just to get placed from time to time.

I meant for you to get the feel of playing with us. Each player has a different playstyle that you only ever really get to understand as a round progresses further. It'd be a shame to get voted off in round 1/2 random voting. Not as if anyone ever has a good reason to vote for someone before round 3. :P

by Massive Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:15 am

Only one person is voting for cloak?
I call shenanigans and cahoots.

French - 1 - HATER
Zyquux - 2 - Nyu, Yoshi
Cloak - 2 - Shadi, Massive
Gamage - 2 - DA, Leo
DA - 2 - Zyquux, Cloak
No lynch - 1 - French

10/I forgot to update the numbers

by Shadi Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:45 am

French Connections wrote:I meant for you to get the feel of playing with us. Each player has a different playstyle that you only ever really get to understand as a round progresses further. It'd be a shame to get voted off in round 1/2 random voting. Not as if anyone ever has a good reason to vote for someone before round 3. :P

Ah well, it's fine I'll eventually adapt to play styles soon enough, I appreciate the concern.

by French Connections Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:55 am

HATER wrote:

Although it may seem like a good idea at first glance, nolynch r1 is ALWAYS a bad idea. Not only does it give the wolves a free kill, it also gives the town absolutely NO new information if everyone bandwagons nolynch.

R1 isn't just about lynching wolves, it's about discovering where player allegiances lie. It kicks off the voting patterns that may be set for the rest of the game.

And if a villager is about to be lynched, well, they can always claim in public to save themselves. In general, it's quite hard (especially in themed games) for a wolf (even with the help of his team) to make up a plausible role that isn't already taken by someone else. So claiming is usually a good strategy if you're a townie struggling under the brunt of a r1 lynch bandwagon.

And, it may sound a little cruel to say this, but it's true:

R1 lynches kill off villagers, the useless flab that the wolves hide in. R1 lynch gets rid of one person that could well be a suspect, a decoy later on.

TL;DR: THERE SHOULD ALWAYS BE A LYNCH r1. IT TRADES A VILLAGER'S LIFE FOR LOADS OF INFORMATION. In a game where information is the most valuable currency, I'd wager to say that the R1 lynch provides a VERY good bargain. (Plus there's the fact that you might actually get lucky and lynch a wolf.)

For these reasons I denounce R1 nolynch and those supporting it. French earns my vote until he switches his vote to an actual person.

It's just something I do. I know that no one ever votes for it. In fact, the one time they did, I was mildly surprised. Some people, I shan't name names, are murderous psychopaths on lynching crusades in the name of the Blood God. (You know who you are~) I just get more involved in the game from Round 3 onwards as people make reveals etc... Fact of the matter is that there rarely is any info pre round3, hence why I vote no lynch. Stalin has a similar policy with no votes round 1 from what I've gathered. I just get worried that if I ever don't get the time to vote round 2, I'll get kicked for enactivity.

by Massive Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:35 pm

French Connections wrote:Some people, I shan't name names, are murderous psychopaths on lynching crusades in the name of the Blood God.

Round 45 - Mafia Story - Page 3 KhorneFlakes

by HATER Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:32 pm

French Connections wrote:
HATER wrote:

Although it may seem like a good idea at first glance, nolynch r1 is ALWAYS a bad idea. Not only does it give the wolves a free kill, it also gives the town absolutely NO new information if everyone bandwagons nolynch.

R1 isn't just about lynching wolves, it's about discovering where player allegiances lie. It kicks off the voting patterns that may be set for the rest of the game.

And if a villager is about to be lynched, well, they can always claim in public to save themselves. In general, it's quite hard (especially in themed games) for a wolf (even with the help of his team) to make up a plausible role that isn't already taken by someone else. So claiming is usually a good strategy if you're a townie struggling under the brunt of a r1 lynch bandwagon.

And, it may sound a little cruel to say this, but it's true:

R1 lynches kill off villagers, the useless flab that the wolves hide in. R1 lynch gets rid of one person that could well be a suspect, a decoy later on.

TL;DR: THERE SHOULD ALWAYS BE A LYNCH r1. IT TRADES A VILLAGER'S LIFE FOR LOADS OF INFORMATION. In a game where information is the most valuable currency, I'd wager to say that the R1 lynch provides a VERY good bargain. (Plus there's the fact that you might actually get lucky and lynch a wolf.)

For these reasons I denounce R1 nolynch and those supporting it. French earns my vote until he switches his vote to an actual person.

It's just something I do. I know that no one ever votes for it. In fact, the one time they did, I was mildly surprised. Some people, I shan't name names, are murderous psychopaths on lynching crusades in the name of the Blood God. (You know who you are~) I just get more involved in the game from Round 3 onwards as people make reveals etc... Fact of the matter is that there rarely is any info pre round3, hence why I vote no lynch. Stalin has a similar policy with no votes round 1 from what I've gathered. I just get worried that if I ever don't get the time to vote round 2, I'll get kicked for enactivity.

If you guys never nolynch r1, then why vote for it at all? It doesn't DO anything if you're not actually trying to have someone not lynched. If you're the only one voting, your vote has no power. You've essentially thrown away the villager's most powerful weapon: his vote.

The whole POINT of a vote is that you want to get something done with it (e.g. get someone lynched). When you place your vote on someone, you're telling people "I don't mind if this dude gets lynched." It may not be true of course, but it's the message your vote tries to convey to the other players.

Your noylnch vote tells us nothing. Zero. Zilch. Zip. It gives no viable information for the town to work with. You're not telling us anything about where your allegiances lie, whom you may suspect, or anything for that matter.

As for not having enough information to place a vote until r2 or r3, I call utter bullshit. The whole premise of the game is OVERCOMING a lack of information. Hell, I often have huge amounts of information amassed by the end of R1 in a game with normal PM rights.

But this game doesn't have free pm rights. This makes it even harder for the village to amass information through private interrogation.

Since that method of gaining information is closed off to us, we must focus even more on the methods currently available for us to use: The Lynch Vote.

A careful analysis of voting patterns can tell you a lot about the game. Often, you can net an entire team if you know just one of them, simply by studying whom they've voted for in the past.

It seems to me that this "Amg I gotz no infos -- I'll just voet nolynch" is a self perpetuating problem: You don't have enough info to vote anyone, and this in turn gives everyone else no info, which in turn causes them not to vote.. It's just stupid for the town. For the wolves, it's a fucking godsend - they get a free kill (and peek? dunno if this game has a Don or Seer wolf, haven't seen the likes of them in the other games you've hosted) and the town's gained absolutely ZERO information.

TL;DR: Voting No Lynch r1 is so stupid for a town-aligned player that it's borderline reason to policy lynch the first person to vote nolynch r1. I know I'm new to this community, but I'm not new to WW/Mafia, and I know bad strategy when I see it.

Unless you remove your vote from No lynch and place it where it gives the town some useful info, my vote stays on you and I urge others to also vote you until you quit squandering your power.

Hell, vote me for all I care, at least it starts SOME kind of voting pattern/history that we can analyze later.

That's all for now, folks.

-HATER

by French Connections Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:40 pm

[quote="HATER"][quote="French Connections"]

HATER wrote:

TL;DR: Voting No Lynch r1 is so stupid for a town-aligned player that it's borderline reason to policy lynch the first person to vote nolynch r1. I know I'm new to this community, but I'm not new to WW/Mafia, and I know bad strategy when I see it.

Unless you remove your vote from No lynch and place it where it gives the town some useful info, my vote stays on you and I urge others to also vote you until you quit squandering your power.

Hell, vote me for all I care, at least it starts SOME kind of voting pattern/history that we can analyze later.

That's all for now, folks.

-HATER

Ideally I could just not vote and it'd achieve the same result. The main rationale behind not voting is mainly not to be responsible for a round #1/2 doctor lynch; someone is going to die eitherway, but I'd rather not be held responsible for a random number generated role death. I'm not exactly the luckiest of the bunch when it comes to calling someone. If I feel my life under threat, I do change my vote to protect myself (except in the previous round 1, where an instalynch train formed against me so fast that I didn't bother). I usually treat round 1 votes with a pinch of salt; most of the time Mafia votes for each other eitherway. I feel like you're looking too deep into Round 1 votes, but you did say you like challenging commonly held views in your introduction bio. I'll just keep voting as I normally do.

by Zink120 Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:43 pm

Crikey, it's getting a bit heated in here!! Playing with Hater looks like it will be interesting, 笑

Eh, default Zyq. I have learnt to hate ties.

French - 1 - HATER
Zyquux - 3 - Nyu, Yoshi, Zink
Cloak - 2 - Shadi, Massive
Gamage - 2 - DA, Leo
DA - 2 - Zyquux, Cloak
No lynch - 1 - French

10/I forgot to update the numbers

by French Connections Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:45 pm

Zink120 wrote:
Eh, default Zyq. I have learnt to hate ties.

Nale will sort out any inconsistencies.

by Cloak Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:48 pm

Leo E. wrote:
Cloak wrote:Wait, DA's back?
FOR GREAT JUSTICE!

Gamage is back too, you know...

The tiger banger can wait.

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